Romans 5:18 (New King James Version)
18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.

Scrip

Scrip - 30 March 2011 02:04 PM

Romans 5:18 (New King James Version)
18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.


Scrip

Why did you choose to omit verses 17 and 19? Are you deceitfully handling scripture?

Are you attempting to teach universalism now?

If everyone is saved, why warn of apostasy of any sort?

Was Peter merely deceived about false teachers?

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment. 10 This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the flesh[c] and despise authority.

Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on celestial beings; 11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from[d] the Lord. 12 But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish.

Was St. Paul all wet about servants of the devil in 2 Cor 11?

Hi Larry,

Thanks for the shot of vitriol! Really wakes one up, first thing in the morning!

Like I said, a tough verse to fit into the Calvinistic mantra! So attack me instead of dealing with the scripture! Oh, for the good old days when you could vote to have me executed, huh Larry?

The verse clearly states that Christ died for all men. No system of theology can ignore or deny a basic verse like this and maintain any kind of scriptural integrity.  Calvinism ignores not only this verse but in large measure the Gospel proclamation which goes with this verse and offers salvation to anyone who puts their faith in Christ. So the Bible never teaches Universalism and such a system is only an automatic alternative to salvation by grace through individual faith in Christ in the cultic mindset of Calvinists.

The full payment for sin made by the Lord Jesus Christ is also the guarantee to the believer that he will never lose this great salvation which he received as a free gift. That doctrine of the Bible is far superior to the so-called Perseverance of the Saints which is nothing more than a deceitful way of introducing works as a partial foundation of salvation.

For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 3:11 (New King James Version)

The Calvinist seeks to limit the scope of God’s love and power to save by twisting the Scriptures. Why a sinner, saved by grace, would be happy to see millions of other sinners be condemned with no opportunity to be saved and then held accountable for not being saved by the one who could save them but wouldn’t, is a system of Satan.

Scrip

Scrip - 31 March 2011 04:14 AM

The full payment for sin made by the Lord Jesus Christ is also the guarantee to the believer

Hold on there.

You quoted “through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men”

All men is all men, not just believer men.

Also, for God’s gifts are irrevocable. Romans 11

Sounds like you are making a case for apostate, unborn agains, to actually have the gift of life, irrevocable.

17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Larry, trying to make me a Universalist after what I have already written on that subject is dishonest. So let me restate the Biblical truth about salvation again ;

Christ died for all men just as the scripture said. This is His free gift to all men. Need I go to the many verses that clearly show that this gift of forgiveness and new life must be RECEIVED individually? You well know that no one can enter Heaven except they believe on Jesus Christ.

The Calvinist error, which really defames God when thought through, is that God proclaims free salvation to all who will receive it but really doesn’t mean it, because Christ only provided for the elect according to Reformed thinking. Thus Calvinism makes God guilty of reneging on His offer or making a deceptive one. Of course, they defend this error with the so-called “inner and outer call” . This allows their god to say one thing and mean another, yet remain holy! 

No, a full salvation is offered to all, because Christ died for all, just as the verse states. “18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.” This is not in disharmony with any other verse. We all understand via scripture, that not everyone will respond in faith, yet still, many will believe.

Limited Atonement, which you are defending here, is as you know, the weakest of the 5 errors of Calvinism. Many will adhere to the other 4 points but draw the line at Limited Atonement. They should realize that a system with such a major flaw as Limited Atonement is suspect in all its other teachings as well.

Calvinism, Reformed and Sovereign Grace teachings attempt to define God’s Sovereignty and Holiness and then defend their definition in a manner that makes God a monster and a liar. Instead of a God who has sent His beloved Son to actively seek and to save that which was lost, they have a god who dispassionately decided before the earth was created to cause billions of people to live a Christless life and then be sent to the Lake of Fire to suffer eternally.

Depending on their degree of commitment to this Satanic view of God, they not only believe that God has denied sinners any spiritual light, but that He is actively working to keep them from salvation! The audacity of this view in the light of so many scriptures to the contrary is exceeded in brashness only by the belief that these hapless individuals will be held accountable for rejecting the Gospel offer that was never intended for them!

Hear Christ’s words and decide for yourself what glorifies the true God. Is it not His gracious offer of salvation to ALL men who will believe on the Lord Jesus Christ?

16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

Scrip

Scrip - 02 April 2011 04:27 AM

Limited Atonement, which you are defending here

You are either grossly mistaken or overtly lying.

Would you please show me where I have promoted limited atonement?

Scrip - 30 March 2011 02:04 PM

Romans 5:18 (New King James Version)
18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.


Scrip

Are you going to wag the dog with that one sentence?

Does your fellowship omit the following teaching from the book of Revelation?

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. Rev 21

How does your understanding of Rev 21 agree with “one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.”?

Is this teaching that hell is eternal for people?

Scrip - 02 April 2011 04:27 AM

Calvinism, Reformed and Sovereign Grace teachings attempt to define God’s Sovereignty and Holiness and then defend their definition in a manner that makes God a monster and a liar.

And if you cannot catch me teaching limited atonement, then all your bluster is merely a strawman, correct?

I don’t think I have ever promoted limited atonement.

Scrip - 02 April 2011 04:27 AM

Depending on their degree of commitment to this Satanic view of God, they not only believe that God has denied sinners any spiritual light, but that He is actively working to keep them from salvation!

Maybe you think my God is satanic then!

God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. Romans 9

Enjoy whatever it is that you worship!

Larry, I assumed you knew Calvinism’s 5 petals. Apparently you don’t, or you would know you were really defending Limited Atonement. It might help if you declared yourself as I have done. To what degree are you a Calvinist?

And perhaps you are not familar with the Calvinism (hyper to some) that teaches that God is actively working to keep sinners out of Heaven?

Your answers never deal directly with the scripture that I post; why are you so evasive? When you can’t fit the scripture into your template you simply ignore it.

And your juvenile name calling adds nothing to your posts.

Scrip

Scrip - 05 April 2011 03:39 AM

And perhaps you are not familar with the Calvinism (hyper to some) that teaches that God is actively working to keep sinners out of Heaven?

Like the sick folks at the Westboro Baptist Church. Their methodology and philosophy is so redundant it is sickening when viewed to the ramifications of who God is. Here are hyper-Calvinists who believe ‘God hates fags’ among many things, and picket the funerals of soldiers claiming ‘God hates America’ and is punishing it for it’s sins by bringing disasters upon it and killing it’s citizens. Yet, these people believe that you are predestined to be saved or lost. There is no way to repent (especially if you are dead like so many fine soldiers). It is merely pouring salt in the wounds of those already damned both living and dead. Why preach judgment the way they are when there is no room for repentance or redemption? It is complete nonsense never mind morally revolting. It is red-necked bigotry hidden under the guise of religion, and a sick, twisted, warped religion at that.

Scrip - 05 April 2011 03:39 AM

Your answers never deal directly with the scripture that I post; why are you so evasive? When you can’t fit the scripture into your template you simply ignore it.

And your juvenile name calling adds nothing to your posts.

Scrip

Scrip, I wouldn’t waste me time. I’ve decided that Larry has nothing valid or rational to contribute to any of the current discussions. If I want to argue with those who have the uber-conservative SDA doctrinal mindset and methodology, I’ll go to Revival Sermons, thank.

Scrip - 05 April 2011 03:39 AM

Larry, I assumed you knew Calvinism’s 5 petals. Apparently you don’t, or you would know you were really defending Limited Atonement. It might help if you declared yourself as I have done.

I do believe you are bearing false witness, but that is nothing unusual for either an SDA or a Calvary Chapel deceivee.

Prove that I have defended Limited Atonement!

Or be seen the liar that you are.

Scrip - 05 April 2011 03:39 AM

Larry, I assumed you knew Calvinism’s 5 petals

Don’t you know the old axiom about assumptions?

They are the mother of all screwups.

Scrip - 05 April 2011 03:39 AM

your juvenile name calling adds nothing to your posts.

Scrip

You may call it juvenile, but the Spirit brands some false brethren/teachers servants of satan.

Your argument is with Him, and you are free to exercise all your free will in your insults to Him, like an SDA.

Are you calling the Spirit juvenile as well, or will you allow real Christians to aplly scripture to actual servants of satan?

guibox - 05 April 2011 04:44 AM

Like the sick folks at the Westboro Baptist Church.

How about the sick folks at the SDA church who claim this comes from Holy Spirit?

“Satan has taken full possession of the churches as a body.” {EW 273.2}

Their actions actually attribute a bald faced lie to Spirit, which is an unpardonable sin. SDA’s have insulted the spirit in their ignorance.

Pretty sick, eh SDA?