Why would a demon not deceive these people into adding to Revelation?

Do they not hear Jesus warning?

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. Rev 22.18

Or are they trying to signal to us their eternal status?

With the rapture teaching that satan knows first that he only has 7 years before Christs 2nd coming, and then he breaks a covenant with Israel and knows he only has 3.5 years left, aren’t the promoters of such teachings really signalling who their father is? If they teach that satan knows, then he is their father!

But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Matt 24

Pretribbers teach that a whole bunch of people are left behind on earth to make up their minds for or against Christ.

Doesn’t that teach against Romans 9?

It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.  For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

It seems as if these false teachers are promoting the Jesus that is going to wait and see who else He can come get! The Jesus of the second chance.

Where does St. Paul speak of the Jesus of the second chance?

How come 2 Peter 2 only has false teachers getting this:  Blackest darkness is reserved for them.  For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error.

Shouldn’t Peter have addressed their second chance during a seven year tribulation period?

Pretribbers add the concept of a 7 year tribulation period to Revelation 6.

I have read that chapter! No hint of 7 years whatsoever!

How is this any different than SDA’s playing around with numbers and time to prove themselves big fat liars?

Some teachers of the Pretrib Rapture not only teach things into Revelation that cannot be found in Revelation, but if they are bereft of answers, they encourage you, their deceived congregation, to insert whatever ideas strike your fancy!

Is that what scripture tells us to do—put whatever theory into Revelation that we lust after?

”One of the two witnesses is Elijah. The identity of the other witness is a mystery. It is probably Moses or Enoch or, perhaps, Zerubbabel. God spoke to Zerubbabel concerning the relationship of the olive trees and the two candlesticks. It could even be John the Baptist. However, these identities are just suggestions. You can put your own theory in here if you desire.”—Chuck Smith, author of the book called What The World Is Coming To

Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. Romans 1

Mormons add to Revelation.

JW’s add to Revelation.

SDA’s add to Revelation.

Probably other false movements also add to Revelation.

Why should any Christian believe that adding to Revelation is acceptable?

Why should any Christian not believe that those who add to Revelation are merely promoting doctrines of demons?

Does not Revelation 22 make this “offer”?

“I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll.  And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.”

Does anyone think Revelation 22 is a false prophecy?

Does anyone think Jesus forgot to add a seven-year tribulation to Revelation 6?

Just who is it that is acting the part of a false, lying prophet?

And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev 20

Does anyone here think that false prophets have been deceived? I do.

Do the Pretrib Rapture promoters take Matt 7 very seriously?

Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!

Who among us believes this is a false prophecy?

Pretrib-traffickers enjoy using 1Thess 5:9 as some sort of proof that God will rapture the “church” away from earth.

“For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ”

This is talking of the opposite of salvation, destruction. Not some 7 year period in which the rest of the elect will “make a decision for Christ”.

The problem with deceived or elect people surviving the hypothetical 7 year tribulation is that they cannot claim this promise!

Pretribbers would love this passage to read thus:

So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip some people for works of service, so that most of the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach a majority in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and some become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
Then some will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.

VS the real deal:

So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. Eph 4

Here is what the Pretrib traffickers are practicing:

“Willful blindness”

“You are responsible if you could have known, and should have known, something that instead you strove not to see.”—Judge in the Enron debacle.

Pretribbers have the opportunity to see just how rotten their little teachings are.

Willfull blindness can stem from familiarity, a “skein of decisions that slowly but surely restrict the view. They don’t sense their perspective closing in and most would prefer it stay broad and rich. But the blindness grows out of small, daily decisions that they make, which embed them more snugly inside their affirming thoughts and values...They think they see more—even as the landscape shrinks”.  States of Denial by Tish Wells.

While I know the preceding paragraph does not describe the “god of this world” blinding them, it does have echoes in it of God turning them over to their wants, having rejected truth.

Why is it that Pretribbers are not able to use their “free will” to turn from their evil teachings?

“without Me you can do nothing.” John 15

Larry - 15 April 2011 02:08 PM

“For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ”

It would be just perfect if the pretribbers could find a verse that went like this:

For God has appointed some to suffer wrath and also to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

But that would be adding to the flawless word of God, wouldn’t it?

Larry - 14 April 2011 04:27 PM

“One of the two witnesses is Elijah. The identity of the other witness is a mystery. It is probably Moses or Enoch or, perhaps, Zerubbabel. God spoke to Zerubbabel concerning the relationship of the olive trees and the two candlesticks. It could even be John the Baptist. However, these identities are just suggestions. You can put your own theory in here if you desire.”—Chuck Smith, author of the book called What The World Is Coming To

The author of that book is also seen to be taking away the mysterious nature of one witness, and adding his “known” quantity.

What does Revelation say about those who subtract?

And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. Rev 22.19

Isn’t it apparent that there is a false prophet at work, encouraging others to do the same as himself?

There is no mention anywhere in scripture of a seven year tribulation. It literally must be concocted by tampering with weeks, just like SDA’s tamper with Daniel 8:14 to make evening-mornings really mean years.

Once the Pretribbers get their desired seven hears from weeks in Daniel 9, they then convert the hour found in Rev 3.10 into the seven years.

I don’t think even William Miller was that bold.

Pretribbers are fond of saying the Jesus will not subject his Bride to abuse, thus the pretrib rapture! And scripture never talks about a fractional-bride!

But the 144,000 along with future converts left to endure the hypothetical tribulation only represent another bride!

This is their sly way of doing the devils work of calling Jesus a polygamist at best, an adulterer at worst. And why not? God has promised to catch these little blasphemers in their craft!

“He catches the wise in their craftiness”

I don’t know a single pretribulation-teaching movement who doesn’t claim the Holy Spirit is responsible for their movement.

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SDA’s have a corollary to this fornicator/adulterer teaching.

It is when Jesus rejected the entire world for unbelief surrounding the failed 1844 time predictions:

“Others rashly denied the light behind them, and said that it was not God that had led them out so far. The light behind them went out leaving their feet in perfect darkness, and they stumbled and got their eyes off the mark and lost sight of Jesus, and fell off the path down in the dark and wicked world below. It was just as impossible for them to get on the path again and go to the City, as all the wicked world which God had rejected. “ {Ellen G. White, Word to the Little Flock, page 14}

One can see that whatever bride Jesus had in the world prior to the failed 1844 date, He totally dumped/rejected that bride, taking on this “new bride” who was based on adding to Gods flawless words, proving themselves liars. Might as well have been a prostitute!

Plus it teaches that the gospel had changed at that point, one definiteley had to believe that God was in the failed time-setting based on adding to His flawless word!.

In other words, God approved of liars. These Millerites/Whites people had it all wrong. It is the “god of this world” that approves of liars.

“walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.  For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh.” --Gal 5

Who here can claim that adding and subtracting from Revelation are actually “walking in the Spirit”?

Is not adding and subtracting to Revelation actually a fleshly desire?

Anyone so bold as to claim the Holy Spirit is responsible for humans tampering with scripture to make it say what their flesh wants it to say?

Pretribulationist plague candidates like to use Revelation 3.10 to support a seven year tribulation before which the “church” is raptured away from the world.

Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. Rev 3.10

1. I see nothing about adding things to Revelation, that are not there, that is consistent with “keeping His command to endure patiently”.
2. Just how are these people claiming to keep Jesus’ command at Revelation 22.18-19?

3. Did Jesus just forget to tell these people that the “hour of trial” really means 7 years? Is Revelation so flawed that we need Pretribbers to straighten it out?

4. Do Pretribbers claim Holy Spirit insight into their additions to Revelation? Does the Holy Spirit really have a problem with the way the prophecy of Revelation is written?

5. This passage says “hour of trial”. It does not say “7 years of tribulation”.
6. They link this passage with Daniel 9:24-27, where 70 weeks are spoken of, but never years.
7. One has to actually tamper with Daniel 9, the flawless word of God, to get it to say YEARS. Much the same problem as SDA’s have at Daniel 8:14 in the irresistable urge to convey the meaning of YEARS there too.

8. So basically they have tampered with Daniel 9 in their effort to support the adding of another thing to Revelation.

9. Not to mention the Pretribbers are assigning themselves to this Revelation Church of Philadelphia! But I don’t see any evidence that the Church of Philadelphia goes around tampering and adding to scripture!

What does God say?

Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise.  For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”; and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.” 1Cor 3

Not to play favorites to Chuck Smith only, here are some of MacArthurs teachings from his Study Bible, pages 1987 and 1988, hardbound edition.

“We teach the personal, bodily return of our Lord Jesus Christ before the seven-year tribulation to trnaslate His church from this earth...”

“We teach that after the tribulation period, Christ will come to earth ... “

That makes a second, and third coming.

He uses the “hour of trial” in Rev 3.10 as a platform for injecting the seven-year tribulation. So hour = 7 years! This subtracts the meaning of hour and adds the idea of 7 years to this passage.

Should we now modify other scripture to fit this model of a second and third coming?

1. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and again and will take some of you to myself, that where I am you may be also.

2. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come twice more and will take both groups of people, finally to myself, that where I am you may be also.

3. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also.

Only one of the versions above is authentic, the other two have bolded errors that fit the pretrib rapture doctrine.

MacArthur is a known promoter of a Pretrib rapture. In his hard bound study bible, page 1189 his notes teach that their are continuing Feasts of Booths, Feasts of Unleavened Bread, Feasts of Passover, and feasts of New Year during the millenium Using Ezekial 45:25 as his authority.

During the seven days of the festival, which begins in the seventh month on the fifteenth day, he is to make the same provision for sin offerings, burnt offerings, grain offerings and oil. Eze 45.25

Somehow, those seven days are equivalent to 1000 years in a pretribbers mind!

Even Wm. Miller (who SDA’s claim as a foundation) would have blushed at converting seven days to one thousand years!

Before anyone gets too giddy, beware that this is being lifted from its native context, for what we read several verses prior is:

It shall be the prince’s duty to furnish the burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the feasts, the new moons, and the Sabbaths, all the appointed feasts of the house of Israel: he shall provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings, and peace offerings, to make atonement on behalf of the house of Israel. Eze 45:17

They inadvertantly do what SDA’s do, construct the idea of an insufficient atonement by Jesus, therefore denying an all-sufficient, once for all atonement.

Plus, in his teachings and commentary for Revelation 20, where the 1000 years are spoken of, MacArthur totally forgets to include the idea of these feasts!

Here are the SDA counterparts to an unfinished, insufficient atonement by Jesus:

1. Special atonement for Israel in 1844—http://tinyurl.com/3hrpngr

2. Final atonement—http://tinyurl.com/3qcmwml

3. Finishing of the atonement—http://tinyurl.com/3ja748n

Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.—Psalm 119