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Is Hell Eternal?
Posted: 21 March 2011 02:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 736 ]  
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Did you ever address Matthew 25: Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev 20

I know a certain false prophetess who adds to Revelation!

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Posted: 21 March 2011 03:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 737 ]  
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For your information, I have already discussed Revelation 20, without quoting any “prophet”, but the Bible. Just check previous pages and you will see that study based on 10 points, proving that said chapter doesn’t serve to prove either the idea of an eternally burning hell, nor the immortality of the soul.

As to Matt. 25, that deserves another well prepared study about it:

10 Reasons Why Matthew 25:46 Doesn’t Serve as Proof of the Immortality of the Soul Theory

The text says: “And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal”.

1st. – Because the notion that the unsaved ones will be living forever in torments after being thrown into hell [gehenna] stems from an unconfirmed presupposition: that God put in man an immortal soul in creation—an information not given in the Bible. Due to this supposed built-in immortal element in his being, it is thought that they will continue living inescapably in hell, forever.

2nd. – Because Christ utilized hyperbolic, parabolic language in many occasions as He referred to the final destination of sinners, such as can be seen in Matthew 5:29, 30 (getting rid of parts of the body to be saved); Mark 9:48 (the worm that never dies); as well as in the chapter 25 of Matthew itself, as He contrasts “goats” with “lambs”.

3rd. – Because an eternal existence in torments would require a resurrected body that were incorruptible or indestructible, and there is no information in the Bible that the resurrected unsaved will have such type of body (only the redeemed ones will have incorruptible bodies–1 Corinthians 15: 53, 54; Philippians 3:20, 21).

4rd. – Because there are other uses of the words “eternal” and “for ever” in reference, not to an absolute eternal period of time, but to the effects or consequences of an action, such as “eternal judgment” (Hebrews 6:2)—which doesn’t apply to an unending process of judgment; “eternal fire"—that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah but is not burning to this day (Jude 7), “for ever"—limited to a man’s life span—Philemon 15, 16.

5th. – Because the language of final and total destruction of the unsaved ones in the Bible is very clear and detailed: Psalm 37:9, 10; 68:2; 92:7; Zephaniah 1:15-18; Malachi 4:1-3; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10; 2 Peter 3:6-10; Revelation 20:14; 21:8.

6th. – Because the comparison of what happened in the Flood, with destruction of the sinners by the deluge waters, combined with what will come to pass in the end time through fire, doesn’t leave room for any doubt as to the intention of the author to speak of the utter destruction of the unsaved ones—2 Peter 3:1-13.

7th. – Because “death and Hades” [tomb] will be thrown into the lake of fire, which is called the “second death” (Revelation 20:14 and 21:8). It will be the death of death. . .

8th. – Because there is no room for the lake of fire to last eternally, since the description of the “second death” concludes with reference to “new heavens and a new earth” . . . “and there was no more sea [nor the lake of fire]” (Revelation 20:14 to Revelation 21:1 and 8). It’s not said that the “lake of fire” jumps from the earth’s surface into somewhere else in the universe to go on burning without end.

9th. – Because Jesus speaks of the sinners’ punishment being liquidated, not eternalized (Matthew 5:26; 18:30).

10th. – Because, as presented in the Scriptures, the character of divine love and justice is incompatible with the notion of billions of creatures living eternally in torments, being thus preserved by God Himself, for “in Him we live, and move, and have our being” (Acts 17:28). The life of all creatures is dependent on God at each moment, anywhere in the universe.

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Posted: 22 March 2011 01:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 738 ]  
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I am not sure what good “duration of punishment” teachings are going to do for YOU when God proves you a liar (Proverbs 30) and when St. Paul proves you to be a servant of the devil.(2 Corinthians 11)

You think any of your “duration of punishment” teachings are really going to do you some good?

Beings you are a false teacher and follow a false prophet, I will let you take that “gamble”.

You, being a servant of satan, you have no fear of this scripture either: It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God—Heb 10

Go ahead, be as bold and arrogant as you want! It is really nothing to me those who are destined to hell.

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Posted: 22 March 2011 05:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 739 ]  
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Larry - 22 March 2011 01:13 PM

I am not sure what good “duration of punishment” teachings are going to do for YOU when God proves you a liar (Proverbs 30) and when St. Paul proves you to be a servant of the devil.(2 Corinthians 11)

You think any of your “duration of punishment” teachings are really going to do you some good?

Beings you are a false teacher and follow a false prophet, I will let you take that “gamble”.

You, being a servant of satan, you have no fear of this scripture either: It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God—Heb 10

Go ahead, be as bold and arrogant as you want! It is really nothing to me those who are destined to hell.

Hate language is no proof of STRENGTH, as you imagine, but of your weakness. The greatest proof of it is your total incapacity to answer my questions or refute my points.

Why don’t you try to show at least ONE advantage of believing in this popular doctrine of immortality of the soul over the holistic view, according to the 10 points that I highlighted some threads above? AT LEAST ONE ADVANTAGE, PLEASE. . .

Remember that the “many who are watching us” will notice your hate language that leads nowhere, answers no question, refutes no point raised by me in the discussion of this subject.

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Posted: 25 March 2011 03:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 740 ]  
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Brito,

You still have not demonstrated how you can add to God’s flawless word, get proven a liar by God Himself and avoid the punishment for unrepentant liars:

For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Rev 22

Call it hate language if you want, but it is really OKAY (and proper) if real Christians hate SDA false teachings, and all other false teachings for that matter.

I am interested how it is that you think liars like yourself get into heaven!

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Posted: 26 March 2011 01:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 741 ]  
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Larry - 25 March 2011 03:20 PM

Brito,

You still have not demonstrated how you can add to God’s flawless word, get proven a liar by God Himself and avoid the punishment for unrepentant liars:

For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Rev 22

Call it hate language if you want, but it is really OKAY (and proper) if real Christians hate SDA false teachings, and all other false teachings for that matter.

I am interested how it is that you think liars like yourself get into heaven!

Larry,
Please let’s be careful with the spirit in which we address important issues. Your style is not likely to win people to your side.

Stan

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Posted: 26 March 2011 02:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 742 ]  
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Stan Ermshar - 26 March 2011 01:19 AM
Larry - 25 March 2011 03:20 PM

Brito,

You still have not demonstrated how you can add to God’s flawless word, get proven a liar by God Himself and avoid the punishment for unrepentant liars:

For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Rev 22

Call it hate language if you want, but it is really OKAY (and proper) if real Christians hate SDA false teachings, and all other false teachings for that matter.

I am interested how it is that you think liars like yourself get into heaven!

Larry,
Please let’s be careful with the spirit in which we address important issues. Your style is not likely to win people to your side.

Stan

Waiting to see how the “winsome style” has won people to their side!

And do you mean attitude or do you actually mean spirit?

Are you able to discern spirits now Stan?

What do you make of this “spirit” Stan:

For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ.  And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.  It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. 2Cor 11

Mind if I have the same spirit as St. Paul?

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Posted: 26 March 2011 02:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 743 ]  
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Stan Ermshar - 26 March 2011 01:19 AM

Please let’s be careful with the spirit in which we address important issues. Your style is not likely to win people to your side.

Stan

Stan, please tell me how “winsome” you think this is:

For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ.  And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.  It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. 2 Cor 11

these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish. 2 Peter 2

Would you agree that both those apostles did not meet your standards?

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